Ben Crump's interview with Dee Dee on the phone before FDLE. I was not able to translate it - no one could:
Yeah. He ran in there.
OK. I’m sorry.
And I know this is difficult for you, but just take your time and tell us what you remember happened.
OK. Did he describe the man that was watching him?
OK. Did he say whether the man was standing, sitting, or—
GIRLFRIEND: Yeah.
DLR: And what did he say about
the man that was watching him under the—
GIRLFRIEND: He was on the phone.
DLR: He was on the phone?
GIRLFRIEND: Yeah.
DLR: OK. And what did Trayvon say after that?
GIRLFRIEND: He was telling me that, like,
this man was watching him, so he, like, started walking.
DLR: He, Trayvon, started walking?
GIRLFRIEND: He gonna start walking.
DLR: OK.
GIRLFRIEND: And then the phone hung up, and then I called him back again
(6:54). And then, I said, "What are you doing?"
He said he’s walking, and he said this man is still following him, behind the car.
He put his hoodie on.
DLR: He, Trayvon, put his hoodie on?
GIRLFRIEND: Yeah.
DLR: OK.
Crump Presser: And he goes back to talking to her again. You'll see the phone calls when it came in at 6:54. He then says, I think this dude is following me. And she talks about how he kind of slows down and he's trying to look in the car like, I think this dude is following me. And she tells him, baby, be careful, just run home. She tells him that.
And you remember from the 911 tape, Zimmerman tells the police, oh, he's coming at me, he's looking at me, he's checking me out. He had no idea who this man was who was following him. So he starts to run (7:12), and then what do we know from Zimmerman's 911 call that you heard the recording, Zimmerman gets out of his car and pursues him.
According to Crump's timeline, Martin was hanging around the mail shed for 18 minutes before he saw Zimmerman watching him, and started running.
GIRLFRIEND: 'Cause, he said, it was still a little bit dripping water, so he put his hoodie on.
GIRLFRIEND: So I said, "What's going on?" He said this man is still watching him, like in a car. So he about to run from the back. So I told him, go to his dad’s house. Run to his dad’s house.
DLR: Go to what?
GIRLFRIEND: Run to his dad’s house.
DLR: To his dad’s house, OK.
GIRLFRIEND: Yeah. So he said he was about to run from the back. So, next thing I hear, he just
run. And I can hear that the wind blowing.
DLR: So you could tell he was running at that time?
GIRLFRIEND: Yeah, yeah.
DLR: OK. Then what happened?
GIRLFRIEND: And then he said he lost him.
DLR: He lost what, the man?
DLR: So was Trayvon—at that time, you could tell he was, like, out of breath, like excited? (Note: notice this leading question and how many times Dee Dee repeats how "out of breath" Trayvon is).
GIRLFRIEND: Yeah.
DLR: Like—right?
GIRLFRIEND: Yeah.
DLR: OK. Take your time, I know this is difficult for you.
GIRLFRIEND: So he lost him. He was breathing hard. And by the sound of his voice, his voice kind of changed.
DLR: Who, Trayvon’s?
GIRLFRIEND: Yeah.
DLR: OK. What do you mean by that? His voice changed?
GIRLFRIEND: I know he was scared.
DLR: I’m sorry?
GIRLFRIEND: I know he was scared.
DLR: How—and I know what you’re trying to tell me, but if you could describe to me how you could tell he was scared.
GIRLFRIEND: His voice was getting kind of low, a little bit low. He was running hard.
DLR: OK. So you could tell he was emotional, like somebody who was, like, in fear?
GIRLFRIEND: Yeah. He said he lost—
DLR: OK. He was breathing hard? OK. (Note: again with the breathing hard)
GIRLFRIEND: He said he had lost him. He was breathing hard, and—and I told him, "Keep
running."
DLR: So Trayvon said he started walking because he thought he had lost the guy? (Note: did she say he started walking?)
GIRLFRIEND: Yeah.
DLR: OK.
GIRLFRIEND: I said, "Keep running."
DLR: OK.
GIRLFRIEND: He said he ain’t gonna run, 'cause he said he's right by his father’s house."
Note: From the mailboxes to the house where Trayvon was staying is less than 100 yards. After all the running and breathing hard, not to mention the fear, Trayvon should have been inside his house with the doors locked in the two minutes since he "lost" Zimmerman.
Continuing with interview:
GIRLFRIEND: So, and in a couple minutes (note: Crump making timeline fit), he said the man’s following him again, he’s behind him. I said, "Run! You going to run?" He said he’s not going to run. I could know he’s not going to run, because he out of breath. Then, he told me [inaudible] the guy getting close to him. I told him, "Run!" And then I told him, "Keep running!" He not going to run. And then he said—I told him, "Why are you not running?" He said, "I’m not running," because he’s tired, because I know he’s tired.
DLR: I’m sorry, Trayvon said he’s not running because—he’s not going to run, he said, because you could tell he was tired?
For fu^^s sake! How out of shape is this seventeen year old that he ran for two minutes and got nowhere and was too tired to run anymore???
GIRLFRIEND: Yeah.
DLR: How could you tell he was tired?
GIRLFRIEND: He was breathing hard.
DLR: OK. Real hard?
GIRLFRIEND: Real hard.
What I think happened here is confusion for poor Dee Dee, between DR and Crump, she didn't know who the hell was supposed to be breathing hard, so she just kept repeating it, unaware of how ludicrous she was sounding.
Crump: One thing the dispatcher says, are you chasing him (note: he actually said, "are you following him"), and he says yes, and we hear him breathing hard. And they said we don't need you to do that. And Zimmerman says OK.
GIRLFRIEND: And then he told me this guy was getting close. Like, he told me the guy was getting real close to him. Next thing I hear: "Why are you following me for?"
Crump presser: She says that Trayvon says he's going to try to lose him. He's running trying to lose him. He tells her, I think I lost him. So, he's walking and then she says that he says very simply, oh, he's right behind me. He's right behind me again.
And so she says "run." He says, I'm not going to run. I'm going to walk fast. At that point, she says Trayvon -- she hears Trayvon say, why are you following me. She hears the other boy say, what
DLR: OK. So let me make sure I understand this. So, Trayvon tells you that the guy is getting closer to him.
GIRLFRIEND: Yeah.
DLR: And then you hear Trayvon saying something.
GIRLFRIEND: Yeah.
Crump Presser:she hears Trayvon say, why are you following me. She hears the other boy say, what are you doing around here. And again, Trayvon says, why are you following me. And that's when she says again he said, what are you doing around here. Trayvon is pushed. The reason she concludes, because his voice changes like something interrupted his speech. Then the other thing, she believes the earplug fell out of his ear. She can hear faint noises but no longer has the contact. She hears an altercation going and she says, then suddenly, somebody must have hit the phone and it went out because that's the last she hears.
DLR: And what do you hear Trayvon saying?
GIRLFRIEND: "Why are you following me for?"
DLR: "Why are you following me for?"
GIRLFRIEND: Yeah.
DLR: And then what happened?
GIRLFRIEND: I heard this man, like an old man—
DLR: OK.
GIRLFRIEND: —say, "What are you doing around here?"
DLR: OK, so you definitely could tell another voice that was not Trayvon.
GIRLFRIEND: Yeah, yeah.
DLR: And you heard this other voice say what?
GIRLFRIEND: Yeah. "What are you doing around here?"
DLR: "What are you doing around here?" OK.
GIRLFRIEND: And I called, "Trayvon, Trayon, what’s going on? What’s going on?"
DLR: This is you saying that?
GIRLFRIEND: Yeah.
DLR: OK.
GIRLFRIEND: Then, I’m calling him. He didn’t answer.
DLR: No answer from Trayvon?
GIRLFRIEND: Yeah. I hear something like bump. You could hear that Trayvon—somebody bumped
Trayvon. I could hear the grass.
DLR: OK. So you could hear there was something going on.
GIRLFRIEND: Yeah.
DLR: Like something hitting something?
GIRLFRIEND: Yeah.
DLR: OK.
GIRLFRIEND: You can hear—I can hear the grass thing.
DLR: Out of the—
GIRLFRIEND: Yeah.
DLR: I guess, out of the—
GIRLFRIEND: Yeah.
DLR: OK, and then what happened?
GIRLFRIEND: And then, I was still screaming, I was saying, "Trayvon! Trayvon!"
DLR: And there was no response?
GIRLFRIEND: Yeah, and then next thing—and next thing, the phone just shut off.
DLR: The phone shut off?
GIRLFRIEND: It just shut off.
This is where the presser ends the phone call, it just "shut off". The prosecutor didn't end it there though, he went on with a few more questions...leading at times. After one question, about George getting out of the car, she seems confused, hesitates, and asks, "you want that too?".
DLR: When you heard that noise of something hitting somebody, did you hear anything else, did you
hear the man say anything? Did you hear any kind of screaming or anything like that?
GIRLFRIEND: No
DLR: Did you hear any kind of shot?
GIRLFRIEND: No
DLR: When the phone shut off, did you ever call him back?
GIRLFRIEND: I call him back two or three times.
DLR: Did you ever get an answer?
GIRLFRIEND: No, he didn't text me back.
DLR: So the last thing you heard was something like somebody hitting somebody?
GIRLFRIEND: Yeah
DLR: And ummm, when you heard that noise, somebody hitting somebody, did you hear the man
say anything, or did you hear Trayvon say anything?
GIRLFRIEND: I could hear a little bit
DLR: Ok, what could you hear?
GIRLFRIEND: Like the headphone, like the headphone got off
DLR: What did you hear?
GIRLFRIEND: Like a little bit get off
DLR: Like "get off"
GIRLFRIEND: Like a little get off
DLR: Could you tell who was saying that?
GIRLFRIEND: I couldn't tell it was Trayvon. I could (something) Trayvon
DLR: Let me make sure I understand you, it was trayvon saying that?
GIRLFRIEND: I could hear Trayvon that's why I was calling his name.
DLR: He was saying what now?
GIRLFRIEND: "get off"
DLR: get off?
DLR: Were you clearly hearing that, or do you think you heard that?
GIRLFRIEND: I could hear it a little bit, "get off" and then the phone just hung up.
<snip>
DLR: Ok, now let me go back, you say Trayvon told you he was in some kind of car, on the phone?
GIRLFRIEND: Yeah
DLR: Did Trayvon ever expand on that, did he ever tell you whether the guy had gotten out of the
car? Did he say the guy's out of the car (raises voice), "the guy's out of the car", did he ever say the
guy got out of the car?
GIRLFRIEND: If you want that too?
DLR: I want the truth, did he say that or not?
<snip>
DLR: Did Trayvon ever say he was going to hit the guy?
GIRLFRIEND: (Quiet) Nah
DLR: Did Trayvon ever say the guy was going to hit him?
GIRLFRIEND: (hesitant) You could say that.
DLR: No, I don't want you to guess, did he say that or not?
GIRLFRIEND: How he said it? (Asking for his lead?)
DLR: Nah, do you understand, did he say it or not?
GIRLFRIEND: He...
DLR: If he didn't say it, that's alright...
GIRLFRIEND: He say the man got problems
DLR: Travon told you that?
GIRLFRIEND: Yeah, the man looking crazy.
DLR: When did Trayvon tell you that?
GIRLFRIEND: When he was walking
DLR: You didn't mention it earlier, that's why I asked you that.
GIRLFRIEND: Yeah, walking home to his daddy house when he say he's gonna run.
DLR: So he says the guy looks crazy?
GIRLFRIEND: And creepy.
DLR: Did you ask him what did he mean by that?
GIRLFRIEND: Cuz he said this dude was like watching him, and watching.
DLR: So you were previously called by Mr. Crump, by some lawyers?
GIRLFRIEND: Yeah.
DLR: And did you attempt, as best you could, tell them the truth too?
GIRLFRIEND: Yeah.
DLR: About what happened. Do you remember talking to them at all?
DLR: Did they make you any promises or trick you in any way?
GIRLFRIEND: No (not with a lot of confidence)
DLR: I'm not saying that they did, just want to make the record clear on that.
Crump (press conference): In fact, she couldn't even go to his wake she was so sick. Her mother had to take her to the hospital. She spent the night in the hospital. She is traumatized beyond anything you could imagine."
DLR: Ummm, you obviously found out about what happened to Trayvon, right?
GIRLFRIEND: Yeah
DLR: At some point you ended up knowing he was killed, right but you didn't go to the wake...why?
GIRLFRIEND: I didn't feel good.
DLR: Did you go to the hospital or somewhere?
GIRLFRIEND: Yeah.
GIRLFRIEND: Umm blood pressure.
The wake was 3/3/2012 - Here are Dee Dee's tweets for that day
The wake was 3/3/2012 - Here are Dee Dee's tweets for that day
You get the idea, there's many more located
HERE with authentication information
DLR: Did you ever text Trayvon on the 26th
GIRLFRIEND: Yeah, when the phone hung up.
DLR: Did he text you that day.
GIRLFRIEND: No.
DLR: When he was at the store, he said he got some candy right? And iced tea?
GIRLFRIEND: Yeah.
Note: There is still another minute to the interview but my gag reflex is not strong enough to transcribe it. Feel free to listen - LINK - scroll down left sidebar.
Dee Dee is the State's smoking gun. She is Crump's "connect the dots" girl. The State will never put this poor child on the stand. This interview was a disaster and the prosecutor questioning her should be fired....in my opinion. At the very least he should go back and re-take "Interviewing a Witness 101".
If thats their best witness, they are done. Ms Cory is a fool if she thinks this witness will impress a jury
ReplyDeleteIt gets better, updating with newly discovered phone conversation between DeeDee and Ben Crump. Not that I could understand anything she said, just the editing should have been Corey's first clue something was very amiss.
DeleteShe is the Grass Whisperer
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